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I agree they and everybody else who is a musician should avoid church gigs hypocrites the lot of those church nut jobs

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I really struggled with this video. Paid Church musicians? Maybe it's an American thing ( I'm in Australia ) I find the idea of Church musicians being hired and paid difficult to comprehend. If you are hired for a job, any job then you should definitely be paid accordingly but paid musicians in a church I disagree with. I have been playing guitar in churches for over thirty years. I have never considered it work. And it should not be considered a performance either. We are there to lead people in worship. Helping them to cast of their worries and cares from their week and usher them into the presence of the lord Jesus. Yes I spend hours in preparing for the Sundays I am rostered on but I do that because I want to be the best musician I can possibly be. For The love of the craft and the love of God whom I am upfront serving. I love playing Guitar. My wife would probably say its an obsession. Being given the opportunity to take that love and using it to serve the Lord is one of the greatest joys in my life. Playing with other life minded people on a Sunday at church Is an honor and a pillage. I would never want money to be involved in that.

I had one worse. Was asked to become a part of an already existing band, attended 3 rehearsals, everyone was comfortable with how the outcome should turn out, come 10 minutes before the performance the lead singer not only shows up with minutes to spare, but didn't want to perform that night. As his boys went to the lobby to beg for him to perform, I'd already had a young lady from the area set to perform provided the lead singer pulled this stunt, because I'd witnessed him doing it to that same band months prior. As soon as word got to the lead singer that there was a suitable replacement ready to go, he had a sudden change of mind, and performed with the band. A few days after the performance, the band let me go due to, "causing unneeded friction within the band while not being a full vested member of the band".

It’s time to bring our gifts freely to the body.. everyone’s needs to go find a job and quit taking money from God’s storehouse.

"Budget." You know what kind of budget is required to authentically worship God from a sincere heart? $0. These click tracks and "worship karaoke" is the worst thing about "church" in the past 10 years or so. What happened to following the leading of the Holy Spirit? You can turn a bicycle on a dime...a cruise ship? Not so much. Whatever happened to making a song your own instead of trying to mimic what's on some radio station? What we call "worship" today is often anything but.

Dude...the first 2 minutes of this minute killed it! No need to continue with the video. SPOT ON!

What I hate the most is when bands start spouting their political beliefs or some "social commentary" from the stage! I'm there for the music and show. Not a lecture!

If you take less you have just said your work is worthless. That's true of bands who have to rehearse the setlist ad infinitum in the rec room, but if you consider yourself a pro you have to know when to say no. And do it politely.

Yeah I need to know everything. How many rehearsals, how many hours the rehearsals are, how many hours I’m need the day of the gig ( IE we don’t play til 9pm but sound check at 2pm type of stuff). Then I give my rate and contract it all out, cancelation clauses and all, even for the smaller gigs. I can be friendly and flexible but what I don’t like to be, is frustrated.

The way I do it, I go through the song and/or lyrics to at least be somewhat familiar on my own time before the rehearsal. Then if everyone does that it goes a lot better and we just smooth out the rough spots and tweak the nuances

Guy I knew asked me to be a part of a project, he had a gig lined up. I traveled an hour each way to rehearsal for three weeks. Two of the other people in the band didn’t bother to practice the material. The gig Was an hour away. A few days before the gig, the guy tells me the pay was going to be about $90 and he was going to 1099 me. I was out! I don’t mind helping someone out, but I will not be taken advantage of!

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Learning music thoroughly: I was new in town, didn't know anyone, looking for a gig. Found a metal band that needed a bassist. Told me I had two weeks & should learn Down In A Hole by Alice In Chains. I practiced daily. I hunted up the music, watched videos, had it perfectly, even studied the studio vs unplugged versions. I show up. Everyone is an asshole, but whatever. The guitarist starts playing something. Just some chords. Then he stops and asks why I'm not playing. What was he doing? The song, but he'd skipped the intro. Okay, try again, with the intro. So, we count in and I roll and within a minute nobody is playing the same song. He asked what I was playing. I showed him. What was he doing? He said (are you sitting down for this?): He didn't know. He said he hadn't learned the song, as that was foolish, he was playing what he felt and his interpretation of the song. ............ Yeah, so, he was playing not Down In A Hole. .... The singer. A chick on welfare. Was giving me the eye of I was the dumbest person ever, and even said they might need a better bassist. On the drive home, as I didn't have a car, he kept bragging about his college music education and wanting to test my skills. I lasted 2 more times, then I was done when he threatened to come to my work and beat me up (for reasons I've forgotten). So I sent him a photo of my co-worker who was a huge body builder (and did porn) and said he'd be here waiting with me. ........ But, I was pleased I learned an Alice In Chains song.

I have a friend who was a full time lounge pianist in NYC for 40 years. One of the few. He retired, moved to Jersey, and volunteers at his Catholic Church and plays the services for free. He loves it more than he ever did the paying gigs.

I know a guy who played organ at his Sunday service. That was it. He didn't do anything else. He was very entitled and felt that he shouldn't be doing anything else for the church, since he did "more than anyone." Also, he liked to remind folks he went to a conservatory in Moscow. He asked for $2000 a month for 8 hours of work a month. He was horrified that a small small church in a small town bringing in sometimes 20 folks to a service wouldn't do that. He left. Then later came back for pennies when nobody else would pay that.

Your rehearsal story reminds of an EP I did with a band just before covid. We were an alt-country quartet. Upright bass (me), drums, lead electric, then our singer on rhythm. It was his band. He was sick. He could barely sing. The plan was we'd just do everything live. Then later we'd go back and redo each part completely or overdub where needed. And, layer some other instruments. Sure. Well, the singer kept stopping to couch and hack. His singing was shit, but saying how great he was doing considering everything. We said we'd reschedule, but nope. His playing was okay, except for the stopping/starting. After 3 hours we got 8 songs done and called it a day. A week later I went back to lay down my bass with just the lead guitarist (also the producer, though I wish he wasn't, but that's another story - just cause you can play doesn't mean you can mix music). He told me the drummer was gone. He wasn't coming back, but didn't say why. On all but 2 songs his drum parts were on, so we dumped those 2 songs. I redid 2 complete songs, then changed some things on the other two for some overdubs. I was done. While I was there my guitarist told me that the rhythm guitar and singing was beyond garbage, and played it for me in pro-tools. The drummer and I had a great connection, so we were locked in. But, our singer wasn't, more than I realized. That's why 2 drum parts were trash, and likely why the drummer was gone, he was changing time constantly to keep up (and I'd been locked into him so I felt something was wrong, but didn't realize it). That was disappointing. Had our singer just stepped away we might have had 8 songs not 6. Anyways, the singer came back to redo everything. Still sick. I heard he spent 5 hours doing 6 songs and they were all garbage. I heard the vocals and they were worse. Then he came back again for another recording session and finally got it. ... I left soon after. We had a gig on the schedule. I did it and walked. After the 'seriousness' taken with recording I decided my definition of "seriousness" vs my singer was not on the same page.

this is why i switched 80% from rock to EDM, working with bands is too unpredictable.

We see this all the time. What's funny to me is that vocalists are the worst of the bunch. Sure, there are some lazy musicians that bluff their way through gigs or come out like it's solo time and forget the foundation of the music, but that can (sometimes) get masked and overlooked. The vocalist is the front person and the focal point of the audience in general. So when they don't learn the lyrics, it's a lot harder to mask that - especially for a popular song where everyone in the audience knows the lyrics. Because the vocalist is the one on the billboard, they feel like it's ok, or they can get away with making up words. But don't let the band mess up! And just as bad - when you're given a set list to learn, come to the rehearsal prepared with all these songs you had to learn for this one vocalist, just to find out they're dropping two or three of them. Why? Because THEY never learned the words of the songs themselves (even though they picked them)!!! And of course, they don't care that your time is valuable, and you've got other songs to learn for other artists. So much Shade in this business unfortunately...

I was hired by a decon to play guitar and contribute to the music. I'm white, its a black church. I was thrilled to get this offer. I'm a big fan of blues and blues guitar, and RnB, I do have experience playing in gospel churches, black churches. I felt so loved and appreciated it was so wonderful I ended up joining the church... After 5 services and an agreed $75/service... The decon pulls me in the pastors office and tells me that the pastor doesn't want to pay me....... I WAS GUTTED... I'm really depressed because I felt like I did a really good job and it really enhanced the choir. How should I feel about this? The pastor said nothing to me about it.

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It’s time for everyone to get a job and quit expecting to be paid from using your gifts.

I had a pastor text me two hours before service and said “service cancelled for the summer”

Can you explain what a tour programmer and arranger Does?

I wonder if that preacher expects to gas up his car for free since he’s doing “god’s work”?

Write charts, buy charts, rehearse less.

I learned an acronym from some Marines when I was in the military: Delta Whiskey Echo - DWE - it stands for "Dick With Ears". Sounds like it describes that 'musician' perfectly.

I never compare myself to others. I don't care 😏. I just do me. I always get something from others.

I agree, rehearsals are a waste of time unless the songs will be altered from the original covers.

Wow! This is what I gotta look 4ward to? That was messed up ALL THE WAY AROUND! Thanks for the video! I will sure keep an eye for that BS! Right on point!!🤨🎶🎸👍🏾

As a fan ,love these vids, gives some insight into the music world.

There is a great Noah Guthrie lyric "what we do is who we are". Some people prove who they are this way and they are not worth the effort.

I really don’t understand. In our country (Australia) we not only don’t get paid, but we also don’t seek to get paid, and any toxic environment is low, rare or quickly sorted out. Maybe that’s the secret - keep the money out of the evangelical equation. We do it for the Lord as a service. I genuinely consider playing as a privilege. We have 27 million people, you have around 333+ million. Theres not the budget to pay people. Mate - I think our way is better. But I respect your difficult situation and wish you all the best working through it.

At least 50 per cent seem to be arses.... ive had to sack loads.... yet always did my best for them.... that's the world

Everyone has stories like this if they are musician but very few have that many stories if they're not a musician it seems to me & that is why when AI finally rolls into town then 10 years later such videos as this will be of minor historical interest on how much BS Was tolerated in the past while, by then, the same so-called musicians who were so flaky on a regular basis will be telling everyone how AI took their careers and crushed their dreams

Do you know if this person actually DID this gig with the new band?

Sounds like Lauren Hill, Anyone???, Anyone???, Bueller???, Bueller???

Really digging your channel, looking good, here’s to growth and prosperity!

The best and common thing are the professional guys never come prepared tp practice. They are listening while people are arriving. Lots have day jobs fam etc yet are prepared. Getting fellow players gigs then find they are bad mouthing you to get your venues for themselves.lol Done

The only thing that ruins great music is musicians.

Do you have a video when you talk about people using stems and click tracks and fake instruments on top of live instruments during worship service everything is so mechanical and so robotic

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Rehearsals need to be planned, beginning with communications beforehand about what's to be achieved and distribution of any charts that will be needed. Occasionally it's okay to bring a new song to a rehearsal if the idea is to brainstorm it, to develop it together, but if so that time needs to be planned for and everyone understand that's the objective for that session. But for the most part, rehearsal ought to be putting together prepared parts, fine tuning arrangements and making numbers gel. Practice, for each musician to learn their parts, is an individual responsibility for each to take care of outside of rehearsal. Like, respect everyone's time and show up prepared. People who regularly fail to prepare are candidates for replacement.

I love this thank you for telling the story! There’s a bass player I work with a lot who has what I think is the best approach. If he agrees to a Tuesday night 6:30 -8:30 rehearsal he shows up having learned all the material perfectly, ready to play at 6:30. At 8:30 he packs up and leaves. In between, he’ll give you his best, and be patient if someone isn’t prepared. But when rehearsal is over, he’s out. This artist did you a favor by calling another band. He’ll learn. Or not. Ya know?

I've just played one hymn sing after a gap of many years, so my experience is far from recent, but I'll say that I've never encountered that toxicity or juvenile attitude you're describing. When did this start to develop, and is it in certain churches or more widespread?

Rehearsal time is not practice time. Buddy showing up not knowing the lyrics and having no idea about arrangements he wants is already not cool. After trashing that gig and cutting off contact, I assume he's not getting crickets back.

I always ask about the guy setting up/leading the gig- “are they a real musician, or just a karaoke type?” Tends to answer if they have skin in the game sometimes lol. Sorry to hear that happened to you too.

I quit a band BECAUSE they didn't want to rehearse. I get not needing a rehearsal if you're familiar with the songs and the other musicians, but still.

I left music school about 10 years ago and was still playing with students in the area. One guy turned down my gig because he was offered to play with an older cat. Dude did a rehearsal and the older cat not only kicked him off the gig, but also “offered” him lessons. Guy was livid and teared him a new one. The younger guy ended up moving back to his home town to get gigs and the older cat has been all but exiled from the gigging community. Shady mfers out there.